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We are at a stage in history when We must make a decision about what We want our eternity to be like.Here are the choices available to Mankind:
1.Seeking "christ consciousness" within or seeking the True Christ(Jesus) without:Satan's lie throughout the history of this evil world has been that we can only come to wholeness and eventually save ourselves by seeking our inward sinful nature(Gen 3:4-5).He claims that God wants to restrain us from achieving this wholeness and that is why He restrains us from seeking our inner selves(image of sin,knowledge of good and evil).So He fools Humanity to think that the path to godhood is wiping out everything that is of God (His righteous laws and reliance on His Spirit)from their civilization and understanding(i.e secularism and materialism)He emphasizes science and not Jesus.He makes us feel that our own genius can solve our own problems and that God is "just a man upstairs"who is irrelevant to us.That is why Nowadays,It is a common thing to hear statements like this: "God helps those who help themselves","Be who You are",Know Yourself","The sky is the limit","All things are possible" or "its in You".These statements are not only misleading but are AntiChrist.God helps those who trust in Him.He isn't some "weak" being who needs Your assistance in order to act.He helps the weak and those that know that they are nothing without Him.Not the strong and self confident who feel they can conquer by their wit and strength.
Do not be who You are be who God wants You to be invite his Son into Your heart and let Him transform You into his image(Romans 12:2).Do not know Yourself:You are not God.Seek to know the truth Jesus Christ.Be like St Paul who counted everything he had to be dung in order to know Jesus.The sky is not the limit without God.Hell is the limit:For dust You are and unto dust You shall return if You do not accept God.It was Eve's desire to attain godhood that led her to Hell.
Nothing is possible without Christ.Without Him You can do nothing(John 15:5).Its not in You world Its in Jesus.Seek the son.Only he can save You.You cannot attain godhood by seeking Yourself but by submitting to Jesus.
2.Seeking to be like God:knowing good and evil (being a law unto ourselves)or seeking to bear Gods image:Having Eternal life(submitting to His law):
The world we live in today is a world that is "self centered" All its laws are "man made" and are geared towards satisfying our "human rights" and not satisfying God's requirements.The motto of the world is:" As long as it feels good and doesn't harm anyone it is good".The ultimate goal of satan is to create a world where man is the only law.A world where everyone does what is "right in their own eyes".That is what the new world order that his puppets are building is all about it is the collective government of man:A world where man is a law unto himself and chooses what is best for himself.Satan fools them to think that being a law unto themselves is what makes them like God(the ability to be able to choose what is right and wrong for themselves).The only way we can bear God's divine is self denial:Being a law unto ourselves only makes us beastly and base.We have to stop seeing(being a law unto ourselves,John 9:41)and admit that we cant see with our so called "opened eyes".That is why Proverbs 32:8 says:"I will instruct thee and teach thee in the way which thou shalt go: I will guide thee with mine eye".We can only see with "Gods eye".Our eyes(sense of right and wrong)are blind.We have to submit to Gods laws and let him lead us with his eye(mind) in order to bear His image and enter His paradise.
3.Seeking Life(the tree of life)and seeking independence from life (the tree of knowledge of good and evil)
- Deut 30:19:"I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live"
You cant attain eternal life by "being You"You need Jesus.Don't believe satans lie.He tells You You wouldn't die when You partake in sin.He even fools You to think that Your progenitors didn't die when they rebelled but instead had their eyes opened( Gen 3:4:"And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die")Truth is they died.The immediate change:realization that they were naked is death:The change of focus from God(life)to self realization is death (Eph 2:1).You need God world You cant do it alone.God is Your life don't let satan fool You to think that You are alive and well without God.The same choices that Your progenitors had in the garden of Eden are available to You today:The Lie that You can be like God without submitting to God and the truth that the only way to bear Gods image is to submit to Him and If You are like Eve who preferred to believe the lies of satan and reject the truth that God told her,You would end up living a life of being subject to the devils deceit and would never see the truth that You belong in Eden not Babylon(2 Thess 2:10-12) and would subsequently spend Your eternity separated from God .
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Welcome to the forum, Arth47.
You said, "We are at a stage in history when We must make a decision about what We want our eternity to be like.", but you basically only gave us 1 option. Jesus.
I'm sorry to say, that there are many, MANY more options than just Jesus. There are 14,000+ deities that have been worshiped throughout human history. Any one of those will do, also.
Or, one can choose the path that I have chosen, which is "none of the above".
Once again, welcome to the forum!
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Thanks for the warm welcome.I gave two options not one.And the 2 options are thus:Looking to Jesus and looking to self.The message of all the "over 14,000 deities that You refer to are all the same :Look within to find deity".The message of all modern paths that exist today are all the same seek "christ consciousness"within.That is why all new age religions emphasize the oneness of god and oneness of truth inspite of different creeds.
The Path You choose to follow :"None of the above"teaches no path is valid and hence "looks to the self" to solve its problems and answers life's problems.So the summary of any other path that is not Christian is seek self and that is why i summarized all of them into one.
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Ah, I see what you mean.
And I agree with you on my own path. As an Atheist, I don't believe in any of the religions due to a complete lack of evidence for their claims. So, I have to "look to myself", as you put it, to figure out where I'm going in life.
I like being in the driver's seat, so I wouldn't have it any other way. 
However, I disagree that ALL the non-Christian faiths also "looks to self". They look to their particular deities, the same way that Christians look to Christ.
You said: The message of all the "over 14,000 deities that You refer to are all the same :Look within to find deity
Did you not also look within to find Christ? If not, where did you find Christ, and how is that different than where the other faiths look to find their gods?
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Hi ,
All non-Christian faiths look to self.They all require that their adherents perform certain rituals or obligations in order to attain divinity or return to God.They teach that their adherents can approach God by the work of their hands or by looking "within" to attain Salvation.
However Christianity is a self denying path.It teaches that there is no way we can return to God by our own efforts.It teaches that there is nothing good inside of us we are evil and all our good works fall short of Gods standards .And that is why Romans 4:4-5 says:"Now to him that works is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.But to him that works not,but believes on him that justifies the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness". We have to deny ourselves and accept Christ in order to be saved.(Matt 16:24-25)
No christian looks within to find Jesus.He is outside of us.Our sinful nature separates us from Him(Eph 4:18) that is why Rev 3:20 says:"Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me".and also John 14:22-23:"....Lord, how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and not unto the world?Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. We have to open the door of our hearts (accepting that only Jesus can save us)before Jesus can make his abode within us.
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Happy late Halloween. Even with long messages like this no one will convince me to accept christ.
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Well You obviously have a right not to accept Christ.Christianity has never been about coercion but about choice.But every choice has a consequence.The write up was meant to make everyone know the consequence of their choices and not to coerce anyone to accept Christ.
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Well You obviously have a right not to accept Christ.Christianity has never been about coercion but about choice.But every choice has a consequence.The write up was meant to make everyone know the consequence of their choices and not to coerce anyone to accept Christ.
Well I chose to practice my pagan religion. I am not going to hell for it. Christian pull the same crap on the jews and muslims as well.
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If what everyone believes on earth is correct then everyone on earth would always be right because everyone always has a justification for their actions and choices.Unfortunately Life doesn't work that way.Students who write exams sometimes "believe" that most of their answers are correct but unfortunately their tutor's sometimes think differently.Our beliefs don't change reality.Water is a drink even if we fool ourselves that it isn't.Obama remains the president of the US even if others "believe"He isnt.Eve believed the forbidden tree was going to lead her to divinity and wisdom but it didnt change the fact that partaking of it killed and blinded her.There is always one truth despite the fact that there are many different opinions and it is nice to always seek that truth.
Your implying that Christianity is "crap"doesnt change the fact that it is the only path that can lead to the salvation of the whole world.
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Your implying that Christianity is "crap"doesnt change the fact that it is the only path that can lead to the salvation of the whole world.
How do you know it's the only path? Because an old book of fables and myths says so?
Funny... the Koran says that Islam is the only path. The Hindus say they have the one, true religion.
Question: Do you have any evidence to show that your path is the only path? Evidence other than "because I say so"?
If not, you should rephrase your statement to say "It is MY OPINION that Christianity is the only path that can lead to the salvation of the whole world". You can have your own opinions, but not your own facts.
In my opinion, the destruction of religion is the only path that can lead to the salvation of the world.
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It is this type of behavior that leads to antisemitism in this country and you are a primal example. I have my own religion and there is no evidence that christianity is 100% accurate. |
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Quote: Originally Posted by DocStrangeQuote: Originally Posted by Arth
Your implying that Christianity is "crap"doesnt change the fact that it is the only path that can lead to the salvation of the whole world. How do you know it's the only path? Because an old book of fables and myths says so? Funny... the Koran says that Islam is the only path. The Hindus say they have the one, true religion. Question: Do you have any evidence to show that your path is the only path? Evidence other than "because I say so"? If not, you should rephrase your statement to say "It is MY OPINION that Christianity is the only path that can lead to the salvation of the whole world". You can have your own opinions, but not your own facts. In my opinion, the destruction of religion is the only path that can lead to the salvation of the world.
It is my opinion that Christianity is the only path.But that doesn't change the fact that it is the only path.It is peoples opinion that the food they eat digests before it is arbsorbed into the body and that opinion is true.There is always a right opinion in life.And that is why all students who are examined are expected to give the right answer.
There are many paths.I never denied the existence of many paths?But the question is where do they lead to?Jesus spoke of two paths in the Bible:The broad path and the narrow path.The broad path he says is trodden by many and leads to destruction.The narrow path leads to life and few find it
Hinduism might claim to be the true religion but it doesn't castigate other religions.It embraces all paths and teaches that an amount of truth exists in all of them.Islam teaches that Abraham, Moses, Hebrew prophets, and Jesus were all Prophets in Islam.They also believe that children of non muslims are muslims before they are converted by their parents.This supports my earlier claim that these people believe that all faiths are interrelated.
It is only Christianity that emphasizes Jesus and Jesus alone as the only path to God.i.e self denial in order to know God
You want facts?Then You have to be spiritual The Bible says the natural man does not receive the things of the spirit of God.for they are foolishness unto Him neither can he know them because they are spiritually discerned.Even if i gave You proof , You would question it Like Nicodemus in John Chapter 3.However Since i sense a desire in You to prove things I would give You an elementary proof:The truth of the message i am passing across.
All paths on earth have the self at the center.Christianity emphasizes God.The self is obviously not God and cannot see God because it is separated from Him.All Mans attempts to see and understand God have been in vain and that is why some have given up on believing in Him.That is why religious people do very wicked things inspite of their professions.That is why man has so much trouble taming the self.It is therefore necessary for those who want to know God to realize that they need to trust "Him" and not self in order to be elevated to see Him as He really is.And that is what Christianity is about.Reliance.
Finally Christianity is not a religion but a lifestyle.You are an atheist its a lifestyle.You have chosen the path of not believing in God and by nature You do not lean on any Power but Yourself.Christianity is the lifestyle of relying on Christ not relying on rituals or dogma.It is denial of the self letting Christ work through people.
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Antisemitism?I wonder who told You that all those who emphasize the word of God are Jews.Anyways,You should dwell on the authenticity of my claims not arguing in support of "Your own religion" without negating my claims.The Word of God summarizes humanity into two.Those who seek the knowledge of self and seek to exalt the self(tree of knowledge of good and evil)and those who seek the Spirit of God to indwell and work inside of them and exalt God(tree of life).And I gave You proof that all paths apart from Christianity have the self at the center.i even quoted Jesus as summarizing Humanity into 2 groups.And it is obvious that His claims were correct: Those on the broad way outnumber those on the path of self denial. However You failed to respond to my statements and i wonder why.
No one ever said You cant have Your religion of course You can.God gave our progenitors choices in the garden of Eden but each choice had a consequence.Get it straight You have a right to choose what is best for You.If that is what You like please do it.But each choice has a consequence and you would bear it alone.Finally,Dwell more on the authenticity of peoples claims not on Your bias.The reason why there are so many lies in society today is because people "tolerate" the abominable.Truth would never prevail unless we become intolerant to liars.Enjoy the day
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Antisemitism?I wonder who told You that all those who emphasize the word of God are Jews.Anyways,You should dwell on the authenticity of my claims not arguing in support of "Your own religion" without negating my claims.The Word of God summarizes humanity into two.Those who seek the knowledge of self and seek to exalt the self(tree of knowledge of good and evil)and those who seek the Spirit of God to indwell and work inside of them and exalt God(tree of life).And I gave You proof that all paths apart from Christianity have the self at the center.i even quoted Jesus as summarizing Humanity into 2 groups.And it is obvious that His claims were correct: Those on the broad way outnumber those on the path of self denial. However You failed to respond to my statements and i wonder why.
No one ever said You cant have Your religion of course You can.God gave our progenitors choices in the garden of Eden but each choice had a consequence.Get it straight You have a right to choose what is best for You.If that is what You like please do it.But each choice has a consequence and you would bear it alone.Finally,Dwell more on the authenticity of peoples claims not on Your bias.The reason why there are so many lies in society today is because people "tolerate" the abominable.Truth would never prevail unless we become intolerant to liars.Enjoy the day
Of course you ignite antisemitism. you want jews to convert to christ or they will go to hell. there is no evidence christ is the son of god. besides there are more religions out there and my religion was around longer than yours. Jesus resurrection is a hoax.
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I wish everyone(Jews and Gentiles alike)would repent.In Christianity there is no distinction between Jews and Gentiles.We are all sinners.However it is simply My wish.It cant influence peoples decisions.
It is very erroneous of to say that Your religion preexisted mine.1st of all Christianity isn't a religion.It is the 1st path on earth.The path reliance on God practiced by Adam and eve in the garden of Eden.All other paths came into existence after the fall of man.i.e reliance on the knowledge of self.And it is obvious to all Christians that Jesus resurrected.He lives and works in His saints and changes them into His image everyday.
Racism is abominable no race is superior to the other race.However being an anti christ is worse than being an anti semtic person.I advise that respect the person whose life Your hands is in or You would regret your actions one day.
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.The path reliance on God practiced by Adam and eve in the garden of Eden
You are talking like the characters in the Old Testament were real people.
The only place they are mentioned are in old mythology books like the Bible. And since the Bible is wrong on so many historical occurrences, it's most likely that Adam and Eve are fictional characters, created by men as a fable to teach a "moral of the story".
And it's not just the inaccuracy of the Bible that disproves the Adam and Eve fable. The fact that radiometric dating puts the Earth's age at around 4.5 billion years old, not the 6,000 years old as specified in the Bible is yet another example of how the Bible isn't just wrong, it's dead wrong.
If you think the Earth is only a few thousand years old, , when the true age of the Earth is on the order of a few BILLION years old, then that means you are wrong by a factor of about a million.
Not a trivial error.
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I wish everyone(Jews and Gentiles alike)would repent.In Christianity there is no distinction between Jews and Gentiles.We are all sinners.However it is simply My wish.It cant influence peoples decisions.
It is very erroneous of to say that Your religion preexisted mine.1st of all Christianity isn't a religion.It is the 1st path on earth.The path reliance on God practiced by Adam and eve in the garden of Eden.All other paths came into existence after the fall of man.i.e reliance on the knowledge of self.And it is obvious to all Christians that Jesus resurrected.He lives and works in His saints and changes them into His image everyday.
Racism is abominable no race is superior to the other race.However being an anti christ is worse than being an anti semtic person.I advise that respect the person whose life Your hands is in or You would regret your actions one day.
Jesus was a nutcase.
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Jesus was a nutcase.
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.The path reliance on God practiced by Adam and eve in the garden of Eden You are talking like the characters in the Old Testament were real people. The only place they are mentioned are in old mythology books like the Bible. And since the Bible is wrong on so many historical occurrences, it's most likely that Adam and Eve are fictional characters, created by men as a fable to teach a "moral of the story". And it's not just the inaccuracy of the Bible that disproves the Adam and Eve fable. The fact that radiometric dating puts the Earth's age at around 4.5 billion years old, not the 6,000 years old as specified in the Bible is yet another example of how the Bible isn't just wrong, it's dead wrong. If you think the Earth is only a few thousand years old, , when the true age of the Earth is on the order of a few BILLION years old, then that means you are wrong by a factor of about a million. Not a trivial error.
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I cant remember telling You that the earth is only a few thousand years ago.Adam and Eve existed a long time before their fall.They were eternal beings.So their existence in the garden of Eden could have been million of years when measured in time.The beginning of the system of time occurred when man fell from Gods grace:i.e died to their eternal breathe and became animated by a temporal breathe(time)
Besides they weren't the 1st of God's creation.God created the heavens and the earth 1st(Gen 1:1).You are the one who is dead wrong.You should understand the facts of things before You make statements.
And the Bible is not mythological.It is factual.The Bible never stated anywhere that Adam and Eve existed only 6,000 years ago.So i wonder were You get Your assertion from.
Finally radiometric dating only gives an estimate of how old the earth could be.It isn't necessarily infallible as with the rest of mans postulations.e.g.There was once a time that scientists felt that Pluto was a planet.Now some are in doubt as to whether it actually is one You shouldn't speak as if You were there when the earth came into existence 4.5 billion years ago because We both know You weren't there.No scientist on earth knows exactly how old the earth is.They estimate based on the work of their study which always have margins of error
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Jesus was a nutcase. Making that statement without proof shows that You are the nutcase.Because people who can reason always back up their statements with facts.People who do not reason never back up their statements with proof they are simply noisemakers and that is why people never take them seriously because what they say doesn't make any sense
Inaccurate. I don't trust the bible.
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The truth is the truth whether people trust in its authenticity or not.Also,the truth is not determined by the number of people that believe in it.It remains the truth Even if the whole world rejects it.
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The truth is the truth whether people trust in its authenticity or not.Also,the truth is not determined by the number of people that believe in it.It remains the truth Even if the whole world rejects it.
Arth, which Biblical truth are you talking about?
The talking animals? The wizards, witches, and demons that god said existed? The flat Earth? The ability to change the physical appearance of animal fetuses by simply showing staffs and rods to the mother animal? The bats that are actually birds?
Those kind of "truths"?
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Hey Doc,
If You genuinely wanted to know which type of truths i meant You wouldn't have suggested them to Me.You would have waited for me to answer You 1st.As much as i admire the fact that You earlier agreed with me that atheism is centered on the self, I have to say that I sense that You are hardened to what You believe in and simply want to defend it all costs whether it makes sense or not.In My last reply to You i raised a lot of issues which i actually thought You would dwell on but Your silence suggests to me that You know what I'm saying is true but choose to stubbornly resist it for what "You want to believe in".
The word of God stated thousands of years ago that the natural man doesn't receive the things of the spirit of God for they are foolishness to Him neither can he know them because they are spiritually discerned. You feel You can understand the things of God with Your intellect and that is exactly why many aspects of the Bible seem illogical and stupid to You.The things of God are too big for the carnal mind to comprehend.Even satanists know that demons exists.They conjure them up every time.Many people(Atheists included) know that Witches and wizards exist.Modern day witches even have websites that promote their activities some countries even give some covens a tax exempt status.So Your suggestion that witches and wizards do not exist would make people wonder whether You live on this planet or on saturn.
Isaiah 420:22:"It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:"
The Bible never said the earth was flat.I wonder where You got that from.As You can see from the above verse it clearly calls it "circle"
Accept You know little or nothing about the Bible instead of making false and blasphemous statements.
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Arth, I'll give you a pass on the flat Earth, even though there is a statement that Jesus could climb a mountain and see all the kingdoms on Earth from that mountain top. Impossible on a spherical body.
However, my point was, why believe the bible when it's been shown to be wrong on many subjects? Like the talking animals. You know... the subject you avoided?
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Even satanists know that demons exists.They conjure them up every time.
Yes, Satanists believe in demons. Mormons believe in magic underwear. Hindus believe in reincarnation. A belief in a silly idea doesn't magically make the belief real. Sorry, but Satanists are just as deluded as Christians. Any belief in the supernatural is a delusion. However, if you have any evidence that Satanists *literally* conjure up demons, I would be happy to view your evidence.
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Modern day witches even have websites that promote their activities some countries even give some covens a tax exempt status.So Your suggestion that witches and wizards do not exist would make people wonder whether You live on this planet or on saturn.
Once again, you are taking for granted that just because someone believes in something that makes it real. You believe in a cosmic, Jewish zombie who was his own father. Don't make it real. However, if you wish to provide evidence that real, supernatural wizards and witches (as described in the Bible) exist, I'd be happy to analyze your evidence.
You won't be offended if I don't hold my breath, will you?
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Some people claim to be witches. Big deal. I trust them over a bunch of biblebashers who condemn people.
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